"Round 30"
Your comments from 01-12-2000 through 01-19-2000
You have now entered a monkey-free zone.
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 1:39:03 AM
Clinton's initiative would expand the maximum credit for working families with three or more children by roughly $500 in 2002, according to the White House. The maximum credit in that category would go from $3,992 to $4,491.
Further, married couples would be allowed to earn more before their credit was phased out. A married, two-wage couple with children could earn up to $14,480 in 2001 and still receive the maximum credit, compared with the $13,030 threshold under current law. The provision would give the couple an additional $250 benefit.
BULL SHIT
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 1:53:44 AM
General Motors, the same General who brings us the chemical poisoning of its' work force at Anderson, Indiana, imports thugs to terrorize them when they file lawsuits in their own behalf, buys doctors to alter medical records, taps phones, accesses computers, contaminates rivers, poisons water and sewage systems, buys senators, congressmen, city officials, union officials, and rules in Indiana, you are telling me General Motors is Nazi? And this is news to you?...noooooo...SAG
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 2:10:50 AM
General Motors is the king,
They rule the air and waters,
Don't worry about pollution,
Tell your sons and daughters,
Remember old Charles Wilson,
What's good for them is good for you?
Now it's time to pay, your tab is over due.
They'll poison your genes
And throw you a bone,
Take your pension and send you home...
Like it or not, love it or leave it..
It's your fate, no time to grieve it...
You can't fight money, they're omnipotent..
General Motors is heaven scent...SAG
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 2:55:50 AM
It is the year 2021 and little Elian, the alien, who was rescued from shark infested waters at sea in the year 1999 is now 27 years old. He is sitting in his palatial home off the coast of Miami, enjoying his life here in his adopted land of America who opened her arms, welcoming him after his trying ordeal when he was a child of six.
Good day, Elian,
Good day, senor,
How goes it?
Oh, things are fine. My wife and I are enjoying ourselves immensely here in my new homeland..
You are now a business man?
Ah, yes, after graduating from college through the aid of my benefactor, Bill Gates, the great philanthropist who helps minorities, I entered the corporation of Microsoft and am now CEO of our Florida enterprise.
Anything else in the works?
I expect to take my seat in Congress at the 1st of the year...due to the benefactors of freedom loving Cubans, the Bush family.
Do you ever hear from your father?
He tried to gain custody of me after my book, "Hark, Is That A Shark?" first was published, but Senator Hatch stopped that..he continued his pursuit until my 21st birthday and right up until my graduation from college. Fidel, who is now approaching 100 is still hanging on to his claim that I belong in
Cuba...My father who is approaching 70 says he will never give up...and Congressman Burton has issued his 101st subpoena. I am to appear in court again next Thursday...
And what are your plans after that?
I, senor, am going to Disney World...SAG
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 2:58:45 AM
PS If you detect a note of sarcasm in my post regarding GM, ohhhh noooo...SAG
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 4:08:05 AM
What can I say, SAG? Many (most?) of us in White Collarland were just as easily deluded as the union members you and Matt (justifiably) trashed yesterday. So, yeah, it WAS news to me about GM - even though it should not have been.
jiminlisle
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 4:34:30 AM
Jim..look back in the 50's when Ike came in power...read up on him and GM..sleeping together..GM has had an incestual relationship with the US government for lo, these many years..Charles Wilson was Ike's babe...unions are mortal...it seems that everyone has their price...SAG
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 6:07:11 AM
jim,
you are on a roll. and did you note in the post about nazi bankrolling that a couple of lines could be cut out and put in any story about the Starr sex scandal?
"...every effort must be made to remove him by defeat at the next election...[non-Anglo read 'special interests'] influence in the political, cultural, and public life in America must be stamped out. Press and radio must be subsidized to smear the administration..."
Rush uber alles.
john (hp)
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 7:54:23 AM
it cant happen here.
frank zappa
european style of fascism never panned out in the us given our taste for the indigenous. a prewar phenomenon subsumed into the always acendant military fetish. the "american" strain grew out of the sugar dependancy cycle, of the late fifties up the coobermissle crisis kennedywhack...then they all ran for school boards and eventually won.
matt
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 8:13:18 AM
hey matt...get a civil-service job and destroy the "system" from the inside. work for them!
abbie hoffman
the next generation...what! and starve? fuck you.
matt
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 8:25:43 AM
bau om shoobie do wah
bau om shoobie do wah
all all all...right
all right
all right all right all right
john lennon revolution #9 (coda)
i am not a communist, a socalist or a marxist...i am a bolshivist.
matt
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 9:01:53 AM
and the new left became the old left...happens.
you took me by surpise
i didn't realise
that you were waiting
time goes slowly
but carries on
and now the best years
have come and gone
you took me by suprise, i didn't realise, that you were laughing.
guess who laughing
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 9:36:29 AM
Matt, a bolshivist is a hell of a lot better than a bullshitist...right?...or left...SAG
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 10:27:49 AM
matt,
couldnt agree with you more about american style fascism. have you read Bertram Goss' "Freindly Fascism: The New Face of Power in America"? An excellent book even if it is dated by 17 years.
john (hp)
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 12:25:28 PM
On the Smudge Report, there is an "Ask Matt" section. We could use that here.
Matt.
When I hear on the news that the DOW IS UP, what should I think it all means ?.......Tom
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 1:21:40 PM
"ask matt" sounds like a lot of work to me. besides i never get anything right...i have the memory retention of a boiled cabbage. (and i work primarly from memory). i get my facts from you guys!
all right...was the coda to revolution #1...not #9.
turn me on dead man
matt
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 1:33:47 PM
That's Our Bill!
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http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/jan2000/pov-j12.shtml Poverty and hunger worsen under US welfare reform By Debra Watson, 12 January 2000 Mounting evidence of deepening poverty in the US reveals that the welfare reform policy adopted by the Clinton administration and the Republican Congress is devastating millions of US families. A December 1999 report entitled Recent Changes in the Impact of the Safety Net on Child Poverty found sharp increases in extreme poverty on the one hand, and little, if any, improvement in overall conditions for the majority of children in low-income families.
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jiminlisle
PS - Let 'em eat Monica!
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 1:45:30 PM
That's Our Bill - Fart Two!
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Caldera, Microsoft settle antitrust suit (From the Times of India; Jan 10, 2000)
Salt Lake City: Computer software maker Caldera has settled an antitrust suit against Microsoft for an undisclosed sum, the companies have announced. In a statement Monday, Microsoft said the settlement would reduce its quarterly earnings ended March 31, 2000 by 3 cents per share charge.
Based on the 5.15 billion shares the Redmond, Washington- based company has outstanding, that would be equivalent to about $155 million. A Microsoft spokesman would not confirm the figure.
Caldera, based in Orlem, Utah, had accused Microsoft of anticompetitive practices that allegedly torpedoed an operating system called Dr Dos more than a decade ago. Dr Dos was developed by Novell, which later sold it to Caldera. It worked much like MS-Dos, the platform that Microsoft used to build its Windows empire. (AP)
Microsoft sees company software everywhere
REDMOND, Washington: Microsoft chairman Bill Gates wants to send you an e-mail to let you know when your laundry's done - or, for that matter, when your stock is sold, your cat needs to see the vet again or your dishwasher needs repairs.
And he wants to send you that e-mail wherever you happen to be at the time, on whatever device is handy, whether that's your personal computer, handheld organizer, cell phone or, less likely, your toaster oven.
This interconnected world is at the heart of a new strategy at Microsoft Corp - one that doesn't rely on the PC software that made Microsoft the most valuable company on the planet.
"I wouldn't say that the PC is dead," said Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior vice-president in charge of consumer strategy. "People have been saying that for years. But I think it's safe to say that people are going to start looking for new ways to access and keep their data in addition to, or in ways that complement, the PC."
Microsoft's new strategy, called `PC-plus' by company insiders, is just making its public debut, but actually it's more than a year in the making. It has three main areas: giving everyday devices computing power, providing the software to allow those devices to communicate, and investing heavily to help build wireless and high-speed Internet access throughout the world to link it all together.
Microsoft envisions a home where everyday appliances and electronics are "smart".
Microsoft executives talk about VCRs that can be programmed via e-mail, clothes washers that send an instant message to the home computer when the load is done and refrigerators that will send an e-mail when there's no more milk.
To do that, Microsoft had to do two things: give electronics and appliances "brains", and give them the means to talk to each other.
The first part will be accomplished by a new version of its Windows CE operating system. Windows CE was a favorite target of critics, who have said it attempts to do too much and uses too much processor time, memory and battery power. Microsoft has nearly rewritten the entire program, making it less memory intensive and relying more on basic functions.
Windows CE is already used in cable set-top boxes and will be the vehicle for other devices and services. Already, Microsoft has TV set-top boxes and prototypes of new `Pocket PC' handhelds and `Web companion' Internet-only terminals.
These devices will be connected to each other, and to the Internet, through the Microsoft Network. (AP)
Microsoft's latest deals
In the last 13 months, Microsoft Corp has invested more than $8 billion in high-speed Internet development and wireless networks, mostly through equity investments and joint ventures with other companies.
The idea, Microsoft executives said, is to ensure that Microsoft can deliver its new Internet services and software through a strong infrastructure.
Here's a breakdown of the company's largest deals:
December 8, 1999 - Microsoft and Ericsson announce a strategic partnership to develop software to enhance wireless Internet access. The two companies plan to form a joint company to build new software to take advantage of Microsoft's server software and Ericsson's wireless systems.
November 15, 1999 - Microsoft makes an undisclosed investment in Korea Telecom Freetel. The telecom company will bring Microsoft's MSN wireless Internet services to its 4.2 million customers. The two companies will also work on joint development projects.
November 12, 1999 - Microsoft makes another undisclosed investment in Taiwan broadband Internet service provider GigaMedia. The two will create and market a co-branded broadband Web site and e-commerce site.
November 5, 1999 - Microsoft invests $200 million in wireless high-speed Internet provider Teligent Inc, based in Vienna, Va., to build local wireless networks.
October 26, 1999 - NTT Mobile Communications Network, Japan's largest mobile communications operator, enters into a joint venture with Microsoft. The new company, called Mobimagic Company Ltd, will develop and market new Internet services for NTT's mobile computing customers.
September 8, 1999 - Microsoft invests $175 million in a joint venture between Softbank Corp and Global Crossing Inc. The new company, Asia Global Crossing, will increase broadband connections in Asia.
September 7, 1999 - United Global Communications gives Microsoft a minority stake in the company for $219 million. United is the largest global broadband communications provider, with 20 offices worldwide.
August 16, 1999 - Microsoft invests $126 million in Globo Cabo SA, the leading cable TV operator in Brazil, with 4.5 million homes connected. The companies will focus on bringing interactive TV and high-speed Internet connections to Globo Cabo's customers.
July 21, 1999 - Microsoft announces it had acquired UK-based SNTC, developer of communication software for the wireless market. The purchase price was not disclosed.
July 12, 1999 - Rogers Communications Inc, one of Canada's leading telecommunications companies, receives a $400 million investment from Microsoft. Rogers agrees to license Microsoft software for up to 1 million TV set-top boxes.
May 12, 1999 - Microsoft announces it has tendered an offer for Sendit AB for $127.5 million. Stockholm-based Sendit produces server software that helps bring wireless Internet access to mobile phones.
May 10, 1999 - Nextel Communications receives a $600 million investment from Microsoft in return for offering its customers a wireless MSN.com portal that would include e-mail, calendar and address book services.
May 6, 1999 - Microsoft agrees to purchase $5 billion in AT&T stock. In return, AT&T promises to use Microsoft's TV software in its set-top boxes and back-end computers. The deal remains Microsoft's biggest single outside investment. January 25, 1999 - Microsoft and NTL Inc agree to jointly develop new broadband services for customers in the United Kingdom and Ireland. Microsoft made a $500 million investment in NTL to accelerate deployment of data, video and voice services over its fiber-optic network.
January 25, 1999 - United Pan-Europe Communications and Microsoft agree to establish a strategic relationship to deliver broadband services in Europe. Microsoft acquires $300 million in UPC shares.
December 14, 1998 - Microsoft invests $200 million in Qwest Communications' new nationwide fiber-optic network. The investment represents a 1.3 percent stake in Qwest. (AP)
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jiminlisle
PS - He's everywhere you want to be!
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 2:00:07 PM
They’re BBBB-AAAAAAAAAAAA-CCCCKKKK!!!!!!!
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http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/jan2000/grns-j12_prn.shtml
The German Green party, and what is left of them By Ute Reissner, 12 January 2000
The following report was given at a meeting organised by the "Forum Gleichheit" last November 16 in Berlin. Ute Reissner is a member of the "Partei für Soziale Gleichheit" (Socialist Equality Party) and a contributor to the World Socialist Web Site .
The Waterloo for the German Greens as a party of social opposition came with its participation in the war led by NATO against Yugoslavia carried out under the pretext of defending the human rights of the Albanians. It is difficult to find a precedent for a party that has changed so quickly and thoroughly upon coming to power. Immediately after their election victory in September of last year and before forming the new government, the designated foreign minister Joschka Fischer (Greens) and prospective chancellor Schröder (SPD) travelled to Washington. A few days later the Greens voted in the German parliament (Bundestag) for the sending of 6,000 German soldiers into Kosovo. The majority of Green party delegates backed this decision at the special party conference in Bielefeld on May 15, 1999, and thereby raised the issue of support for the war to the level of official party politics. The Greens thus took up the task of legitimating the first combat mission by the German army since 1945.
… The war in Kosovo was not just a turning point in the first year of the SPD-Green government in Germany, but also in international politics. I do not want to repeat the complete analysis of our party, but it must be said that the essence of this war was the beginning of a new carve-up of the world between the mightiest imperialist powers. Following the collapse of the Soviet Union the United States took the initiative and the leading role in the race for spheres of influence and resources. They began to utilise their military superiority in an increasingly aggressive manner. But the Europeans and especially the Germans are attempting to rapidly catch up and so the task of re-making militarism in a palatable form has become a decisive factor of Green politics.
… The main thing is the strategy of developing European security politics under German leadership: In plain English, an alliance with France and what's left of Russia, against the influence of the United States in Europe.
This perspective has already been put into concrete terms in a paper published in September 1999 by Angelika Beer, defence spokeswoman of the parliamentary fraction of the Green party. It was titled "Less is more! Considerations over the modernisation of the German army in respect to security politics and technology”.
The quintessence of the paper is the creation of a powerful professional army (at present, Germany has a conscript army), which is to be ready for immediate action around the globe.
… What is necessary is the construction of an independent European defence identity: “The defence of the alliance and the overcoming of crisis demand a restructuring of the German army into an army that is able to bring adequate, well trained and supplied forces into action on its borders and in neighbouring regions without problems of mobilisation. What is needed are forces characterised by high mobility, technological and operative superiority, discipline and flexibility with regard to possible action, in the context of multinational and international operations.”
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jiminlisle
PS – Achtung, baby!
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 4:13:15 PM
Note: The State has just obtained a court order to search the Guide Lamp Division of General Motors at Anderson, In. for incriminating evidence in The White River Contamination Kill. Governor O'Banion(D) has just called in the FBI and Justice Department on our behalf...just when we were going down for the 3rd time...SAG
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 4:56:29 PM
AnnA here,
I haven't spouted off for so long, I can hardly contain myself. There are several topics running through my head.
Being in my birthplace, the home of Phyllis Schafley, reminds me of my favorite anti-fascist rant. Every year I am obliged to dine with the "older set." This is the age group that fought WWII in one way or another. They are also the same generation that benefited from the biggest goverrmental largesse in history. They are also the ones with fat corporate pensions that don't exist anymore, who are also receiving SS that pays for their second homes, travel homes, time-share condos and global vacations.
This same group are also staunch Gingrich-type Republicans. They sneer at the Clintons and tell Chelsea jokes. One member of this group has held a grudge against me for years because I reminded her that Phyllis must love her son even if he is a homosexual. (Don't forget that Phyllis and her gay son have raised millions by bashing homosexuals.)
I have been continually confused about why the same generation that fought fascism and was the same generation to benefit the most from US "socialism" would end up supporting fascism. I put this question to The Foundation For Conspiracy Heritage.
The Fellows came up with this conclusion:
1) The war (WWII) was framed in racist, rather than political terms. Therefore, WE were fighing Krauts and Nips rather than fascism.
2) As the discussions here have shown, this country has always cozied up to fascism, so it was the racism rather than the ideology that won the hearts of the people in WWII.
So the same old story continues. Fascisms seed in this country seems to always win the political contests. The exploitation of racism in one form or another to promote the ruling class is now seen as "democracy."
Yes???????
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 5:03:32 PM
The search warrant for Guide Lamp Division at Anderson, In. will have little teeth...McIntosh will be intervening. The warrant was supposed to have been executed two weeks ago when the incident first occurred. This two week delay has given them ample time to get rid of any evidence and clean contaminated areas within the plant...they have merely thrown the hungry hounds a bone...little meat...let's see what Justice and FBI does...we are still sinking right along with the other poor fish...SAG
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 7:07:53 PM
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PANDERING TO THE ELECTORATE A DANGEROUS WAY TO DECIDE FAMILY COURT ISSUES
http://chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/article/0,2669,SAV-0001120132,FF.html
By Bruce Boyer, Bruce Boyer is a supervisory attorney at the Children and Family Justice Center at Northwestern...
January 12, 2000
`I do solemnly swear to uphold the law." Such is the oath taken by the elite few chosen to assume the legal profession's highest responsibilities. Most judges take this oath seriously. One judge in Miami--Rosa Rodriguez--apparently does not.
The statute applied by Judge Rodriquez to wrest temporary custody of Elian Gonzalez from his father in Cuba precludes anyone other than a child's brother, sister, grandparent, aunt or first cousin from even asking a family court for temporary custody of a child, over the objection of a fit parent. None of Elian's Florida family fits this definition.
The doctrine embodied in this law is known to family lawyers as the doctrine of "standing" and it is central to the treatment of family rights in American law. The requirement of standing precludes casual interference with parent-child relationships by prohibiting individuals who have anything less than the most compelling connections to someone else's child from forcing parents and children to defend their relationships in court. Standing limits the freedom of people who disapprove of a parent's religion, opinions or lifestyle choices from turning those differences into grounds for taking away a child. No principle of law is more fundamental to a democratic society than the idea that differences must be tolerated. Standing guards against the most heinous kind of social engineering, and it protects children and parents alike.
Elian's Florida relatives may want their day in court but they simply have no legal right to it.
…If the standing laws weren't clear enough for Judge Rodriguez, it gets worse. When a parent objects, Florida law precludes the award of temporary custody to a relative, absent a showing by "clear and convincing evidence" that the parent is unfit to care for the child. This is the same high standard required under the U.S. Constitution to permanently sever the legal relationship between a parent and a child. At most, Elian's extended family in Florida has questioned Fidel Castro's fitness to govern. They have offered not a single shred of evidence that even remotely justifies permanently severing Elian's relationship with his father.
In other words, Judge Rodriquez had absolutely no conceivable legal basis for interfering with Gonzalez' right to speak for his son, and to bring Elian home. This kind of pandering to the electorate is one thing for elected politicians such as Congressmen Lincoln Diaz-Balart and Dan Burton, who together conceived of the ridiculous notion that a 6-year-old boy could reasonably be forced to stay in the U.S. by a subpoena to testify at a phantom hearing. It is an entirely different matter when a judge who has sworn to uphold the law so blatantly disregards her oath.
If Judge Rodriguez' decision delays Elian's return home by even one day, it will be a day of shame for the legal profession.
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But…but…but THAT would mean the judge IGNORED THE LAW (gasp)!!!!!!!!
jiminlisle
PS - Seems like U.S. Supreme Court material to me!
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 7:19:35 PM
For anyone out there who's still not sure Bradley sucks:
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http://chicagotribune.com/news/metro/chicago/article/0,2669,SAV-0001120350,FF.html
BRADLEY SET TO FILE SLATE OF STEVENSON-LED DELEGATES
By Rick Pearson, Tribune Political Writer
January 12, 2000
Former U.S. Sen. Adlai E. Stevenson III will make his first appearance on an Illinois ballot in 13 years when organizers for Democratic presidential candidate Bill Bradley file their slate of convention nominating delegates on Wednesday.
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What a dynamic zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...wha' hoppen?
jiminlisle
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 7:46:56 PM
Elvis is back, and he's surfaced in Florida.
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http://wsws.org/articles/2000/jan2000/exec-j13_prn.shtml
Florida legislature approves bill to speed executions
By Kate Randall, 13 January 2000
Florida lawmakers passed a bill overhauling the state's death penalty laws last Friday, effectively speeding up the state's execution process. The legislation would streamline the appeals process by reducing the length of time between sentencing and execution to five years from the current average of 14 years. Republican Governor Jeb Bush, brother of Texas Governor and Republican presidential frontrunner George W. Bush, had urged passage of the bill at a special three-day legislative session.
The legislature also passed a bill that would allow condemned death row inmates to choose between lethal injection and the electric chair for their executions. The state previously used the electric chair as the sole means of execution. Executions in the state have been stalled as the US Supreme Court considers whether exclusive use of the electric chair constitutes cruel and unusual punishment. This followed a number of botched executions, one in which flames shot from the head of a condemned man as he was put to death last July.
There are currently 366 inmates on death row in Florida. The state has executed 44 people since the reinstitution of the death penalty in the US in 1976. Only Texas and Virginia have carried out more executions. Florida ranks first in the nation in the number of people-20-who have been taken off death row because of doubts about their convictions. With the passage of these two bills death penalty proponents seek to accelerate the rate of executions. Brad Thomas, advisor to Jeb Bush on the death penalty, commented to the St. Petersburg Times last week, "What I hope is that we become more like Texas. Bring in the witnesses, put them on a gurney, and let's rock and roll."
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"Everybody in the whole cell block, was dancin' to the jailhouse rock."
jiminlisle
PS - You want fries with your last meal?
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 8:27:00 PM
Spent the big bucks and bought the Jeffrey Toobin book.
I was screaming at the prologue. Toobin concludes in the prologue that the coup against Clinton was the outcome of Thurgood Marshall and feminism.
Mega-Dittos anyone?
Oh.....Pllleeeeaaasssse......
AnnA
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 8:55:13 PM
>1) The war (WWII) was framed in racist, rather than political terms. Therefore, WE were fighing Krauts and Nips rather than fascism.
>2) As the discussions here have shown, this country has always cozied up to fascism, so it was the racism rather than the ideology that won the hearts of the people in WWII.
>So the same old story continues. Fascisms seed in this country seems to always win the political contests. The exploitation of racism in one form or another to promote the ruling class is now seen as "democracy."
>Yes???????
Sounds right to me.
Martin
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 8:55:42 PM
Well, I thought I'd heard everything...but nooooo
Last Sunday I heard the syndicated program "Gun Talk." It is out of Colorado, I think. The host and the callers were all excited about getting that "bigot" Rosie O'Donnell kicked out of her K-Mart promo position.
The ads were for guns with all the new gismos, and they even had public service spots by gun manufacturers to tell gun owners to be safe.....ok?
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will accidently shoot their kids.
AnnA
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 8:57:01 PM
Sag, I have some family in Brownsburg, just outside of Indianapolis.
My wifes late grandmother was from Anderson...
I'll have to see how little the news has told them....
Martin
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 9:34:01 PM
fuck
mario savio
whew, jane baby! welcome back to the land of the living...what happened? was it the buffalos?
tom
matt
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 9:58:50 PM
"never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
margaret mead
bolshavison
matt
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 10:11:54 PM
tom "cat", baloo the buffaloz...heeded
coming home stop
onuit
jane
matt
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 10:37:40 PM
"however sugarcoated and ambiguous, every form of authoritarianism must start with a belief in some group's greater right to power, whether that right is justified by sex, race, class, religion, or all four. however far it may expand, the progression inevitably rests on unequal power and airtight roles within the family."
gloria steinem
do ya know?
don't ya wonder?
whats goin' on...down under
you ooh ooh
da da da
da da da
da da
da da da
david crosby
day job...who?
matt
matt
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 11:05:23 PM
"the dream-life is completely intelligible only if we admit that in dreaming we do not as a rule...suppose ourselves to be thinking, but actually experiencing; that is, we accept the hallucination in perfectly good faith."
sigmund freud
cabbage in, cabbage on, cabbage out
matt
Date: 1/12/00
Time: 11:38:35 PM
"sin lies only in hurting other people unnecessarily. all other "sins" are invented nonsense."
robert heinlein
...if ya dont stick it in, it isn't a sin? what the fuck are you talking about? for once in your life, will you shut up you hillbilly schmuck!
hillary
ask, don't tell.
matt
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 12:20:30 AM
mayo in the mornin
mayo in the evenin'
mayo at suppertime....
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 3:28:53 AM
In a late news release, Guide Lamp Division of General Motors of Anderson, Indiana, admitted it had made some errors in disposing of wastes in that area.
"We have tried to comply with government regulations, but sometimes when you have minorities in places of responsibility, these things have a tendency to backfire. We would not intentionally harm anyone. The fact that a green liquid was flowing freely on the floor and some people happened to step in it was not our fault. This incident occurred around the Xmas season and our management thought this was part of the de'cor. When the pits were opened and live octopi-like living organisms were found, we were as amazed as anyone. We thought they were part of a science project-experiment conducted by the Church of God and Anderson University. In fact, one of our management even took one of them home for a pet. Unfortunately, he has not been heard from since December 18, but we are still hopeful as he has the blueprints to the other labyrinths."
We are very sorry about the White River incident. However we dispute the fact that 80,000 fish were killed. Our last count disclosed there were only 79,999. We are within our rights to dispute that number. Our chemists have ascertained that the water is indeed safe to drink if you add 3 parts cholorine to 1 part water. This may tingle a little, but it is almost an absolute prevention for the current flu bug that is circulating."
We will cooperate with any and all authorities in the investigation of our operations. We have always made that perfectly clear. The Indiana Supreme Court has authorized investigations and we are going to let them in the plant just as soon as the proper moneys have crossed the proper hands. This is a program that was first implemented in the mayor's office and has extended into the United States Senate in this district. This is only a part of our "hands across the city" campaign and is being processed as quickly as possible. We are anxiously awaiting word from Congressman David McIntosh at this moment. The Justice Department and the FBI are welcome in Anderson, Indiana at any time. We are happy to comply with their orders and are sure that they will understand that what is good for General Motors is good for the nation. Eich ein a Berliner..."SAG
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 3:31:22 AM
PS Living octopi-like organisms were actually found in the disposal pits. This part of my "satire" is NOT fiction...this story was featured in a National News Magazine, the STAR..complete with pictures, 2 years ago...SAG
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 3:40:23 AM
"Eggs a`la Rudy Waltz (age thirteen): Chop,cook and drain two cups of spinach. Blend two tablespoons of butter, a teaspoon of salt, and a pinch of nutmeg. Heat and put into three oven-proof bowls or cups.
Put a poached egg on top of each one, and sprinkle with grated cheese. Bake for five minutes at 375 degrees.
Serves: the papa bear, the mama bear and the baby bear who cooked it..."
kurt vonnegut jr.
Hint: Garnish with a dollop of Blue Plate Mayonnaise.
matt
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 4:03:37 AM
recipes! we love it! kudos to mike and kathy from matt and jo on your terrific new page...mayonnaise as mayonndoes.
sag, "living octopi-like organisms"...yummm! i feel a calimari coming on.
matt
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 4:09:20 AM
If I don't talk to you democrats the rest of the day, remember...we HAVE to win this election...life is like being a member of a dog sled team...if you're not the lead dog, the scenery NEVER changes...SAG
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 4:51:40 AM
memes and counter-memes
Examples of memes are tunes, ideas, catch-phrases, clothes fashions, ways of making pots or of building arches. Just as genes propagate themselves in the gene pool by leading from body to body via sperm or eggs, so memes propagate themselves in the meme pool by leaping from brain to brain via a process which, in the broad sense, can be called imitation. If a scientist hears, or reads about, a good idea, he passes it on to his colleagues and students. He mentions it in his articles and his lectures. If the idea catches on, it can be said to propagate itself, spreading from brain to brain. Memes should be regarded as living structures, not just metaphorically but technically. When you plant a fertile meme in my mind, you literally parasitize my brain, turning it into a vehicle for the meme's propagation in just the way that a virus may parasitize the genetic mechanism of a host cell. And this isn't just a way of talking -- the meme for, say, 'belief in life after death' is actually realized physically, millions of times over, as a structure in the nervous systems of people all over the world.
richard dawkins
the neo-conservative meme...or an indigenous political virus occuring in the american democracy(host).
"the flying monkey right" and "these people cannot govern"
mike malloy
two examples of counter-memes
matt
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 5:20:47 AM
i don't know if anyone taped and watched the First Lady on Letterman last night, but i did and i was fairly entertained. as i woke this morning, made the mistake of falling asleep with WLS on last night, i heard the morning uber-prick lamenting the fact that Letterman didn't sneak up behind Hil and choke her to death with piano wire. No big surprise there.
What i love is that when R-C comes out as affable the fmr goes nuts. The uber-cyst will probably do 3 hours on a 30 minute interview this afternoon on how Hillary is actually bitch of the millenium, even though this is only the 999th year of the 20th century, as the uber-cyst is fond of saying.
john (hp)
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 5:26:06 AM
oh, forgot to mention, Lettermen referred to Burton as a nut.
john (hp)
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 5:28:03 AM
Matt
Sorry, didn't mean to make you feel as if a flood of work would pour in on you. The "Ask Matt" idea wasn't meant to be all that fact based, more a "mayo-spread" for a quick snack.
Please let me ask this one question. What poker game does one play while eating "Carrot and Raisin Salad" ? ? ?.............Tom
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 5:34:19 AM
tom, i dunno, what?
matt
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 5:48:04 AM
John in HP
Yea ! I caught some of Letterman last night. Damn it though, missed the part when he called Burton a nut. Can you give a little more detail about that ? Hillary carried the visit off pretty well, I thought. Bet the one part, where Dave says..."Boy, were you missguided"..will be played..out of context..over and over again to downgrade her at every possible and outrageous moment they can.
The only thing that will distract their attack on Hillary...is the Reno comments to send the boy back to his father. Should be a full plate of bile on the "Evil (or Elvis) in Bulk" show today.....................Tom
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 5:54:47 AM
Matt
Guess I should have asked Kathy.
Kathy
What poker game does one play while eating your "Carrot and Raisin Salad" ????....Tom
Kathy will respond in pink. I dunno...draw poker? I guess any poker game you like! Once you've tried it, you'll never serve chips again. That said, Mike does enjoy chips-n-mayonnaise!
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 8:47:53 AM
If you want to place comments on the Indy papers forum re..fish kill. go to starnews.com They say letters will be posted Jan 21.
Indiana's EPA is a weak, toothless tool. Some of your outrage posted in Indy's Republican paper may help. Or it may just be...business as ussual.
80,000 fish floating is far more dramatic, than individual cancer patients sickened around the Keil Chemical plant. I did find it interesting, the plant officials could not be reached for comment about the Indy investigation, cause they were at some other plant in La. Kiel's corp. owners are also home-based in La. Kiel's plant here, is still operating..with out a license to do so, since Jan. Indiana EPA officials are looking into it.
Like I said..fish don't vote..or make political contributions....let them float..that would be Indiana's current environmental policy.....Tom
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 9:25:16 AM
Tom,
Letterman mention Elian Gonzalez and in connection said something like
Dan Burton, a congressman from my home state of indiana subpeonaed him. what does this kid have to tell congress? this guy is a nut."
this is a serious paraphrase.
By the way, if i do run for congress i think i will try to demonstrate how top officials in the reagan/bush administrations offed Bill Casey. Since casey conveniently died of a brain tumor, i will be forced to grow a tumor inside of a melon.
john (hp)
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 9:28:27 AM
During the Republican't beer hall putsch the other night almost all of the republican't candidates answered that if asked to contribute something to a time capsule the would put copies of the constitution, declarations of ind., etc. Bush said he would put in King's 'I have a dream' speech. No one mentioned the fact that you would only put things in a time capsule that you expect not to be found in the future.
john (hp)
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 10:21:26 AM
John in HP
What have you got against melons ?
Why not grow a tumor in Burton. That way, you can make your point, and solve a problem at the same time.
Remember...melons are people to........Tom
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 11:39:25 AM
Hi guys, and AnnA, I'm still on vacation, but checking email and thought I'd see what you're up to. The Guide Lamp needs to be renamed, Sag. Any suggestions? I didn't hear Hillary -- I rarely watch TV, but I wish I'd heard Letterman's show. I heard a few minutes of Rush and heard him playing sound clips of HIS OWN Letterman "appearance" waaaaaaaaaay back there (bashing Hillary and saying he himself had a monopoly on the truth -- to which the audience gave loud, sustained boos!) Thankfully, he was so bent on reminding his audience that HE TOO had appeared on the Letterman show, that he didn't really get a good crack in at Hillary. Do y'all think she can win? Guiliani is a PIT of DARKNESS. I hope Hillary has a chance to take the Senate seat.
Go to http://www.fair.org and check out the comments on the coverage of the AOL/Time Warner merger. Illuminating. Which leads me to my last comment -- my sister lost her job of nearly 15 years at Time Life (Time Warner) THE DAY THAT THE MERGER WAS ANNOUNCED. Their division of about 70 employees is to be "downsized" to less than 20 -- and the Time Warner people told them that this downsizing has "absolutely nothing to do with the AOL/Time Warner merger. Yeah, like duh no it don't. My sis has been an associate editor for their many book series. She'll find another job -- she's good, but it bites.
Talk to ya Monday.
De
PS: I'm planning to change my server soon. Got to get off AOL. Any suggestions for a server that's good - and not so "mega-corporate"? you know what I mean?
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 11:49:53 AM
Here it is:
FAIR Media Advisory:
AOL-Time Warner: Dawn of a Golden Age, or a Blow to Media Diversity?
January 13, 2000
The last few media mergers have attracted an enormous amount of press attention, and this was certainly true when America Online (AOL) announced its plans to buy media giant Time Warner on January 10.
Nonetheless, certain issues were obscured in the initial press treatment of the deal, which has been called the largest business merger of any kind in history.
In their enthusiasm for the merger and the new company's plans for high-tech ventures, much of the media overstated the immediate ramifications of the deal: NBC's Tom Brokaw (1/10/00) referred to "a whole new universe created overnight," while USA Today (1/11/00) likened it to "one of those rare events that seems to change the world overnight," comparable to "the 13 colonies defeat[ing] the British."
USA Today also featured one expert who said "the network news anchors-Jennings, Brokaw, Rather-are really dinosaurs at this point," while another ingenuously pondered a future where magazines would be available through AOL that "I can take and read whenever I want."
CNN's Crossfire co-host Bob Novak also imagined a day when one could "connect with AOL, push some buttons and--kazam!--you get Crossfire right on your little screen." (It's worth noting that video of Crossfire is already available on CNN's website.)
When not daydreaming about the possibility of seeing pictures on-line, many outlets turned their attention to the personalities behind the companies. AOL's Steve Case was called a "revolutionary" by ABC (1/10/00) and a "boy wonder" by NBC (1/10/00), but perhaps the most important public relations event of the day was the fact that "new" media CEO Steve Case wore a tie to the press conference announcing the merger, while "old" media CEO Gerald Levin wore no tie. This stunt was mentioned three times the next day by the New York Times (1/10/00), including a front-page story, "AOL Chief Relaxes a Dress Code but Not His Vision of the Internet."
When Time Warner's Ted Turner made the comment that he approached the merger "with as much or more excitement and enthusiasm as I did on that night when I first made love some 42 years ago," ABC's Sam Donaldson added this helpful context on his ABC webcast: "Mr. Turner is at the moment 61 years of age."
What could the coverage of the largest business merger in history have focused on instead? Here are several core issues that received little scrutiny from mainstream ("old") media:
OPEN ACCESS: AOL was a major player in the fight for "open access" to high-speed cable lines, seeking guarantees that cable lines would be open to competitors in the same way that phone lines are. But now that AOL will own Time Warner's cable lines, will its commitment to open access change?
Mainstream media reported AOL CEO Steve Case as saying that it would not. A New York Times editorial (1/11/00) said of Case: "Now he will own the cable wires himself, and he promised yesterday to commit the new company to open access." ABC's Nightline reported (1/11/00): "And today, clearly mindful of their critics, AOL and Time Warner executives insisted their new company would stay open to other providers of Internet content."
But most media failed to note that AOL and Time Warner were attempting to redefine the concept of "open access." On the same Nightline broadcast, Time Warner CEO Gerald Levin declared:
"We're going to take the open access issue out of Washington, and out of city hall and put it into the marketplace, into the commercial arrangements that should occur to provide the kind of access for as much content as possible."
Clearly, Levin is not talking about regulatory guarantees of access to cable lines, but the potential for competitors to buy access on AOL/Time Warner's terms. This is the opposite of "open access." The Washington Post (1/11/00) accurately portrayed AOL's new position on the access question as "a stunning reversal."
AOL & PRIVACY: Critics of AOL have long argued that the company's incessant marketing, censorship of on-line discussions and privacy/security problems have been contradictory to the founding principles of the internet. In 1997, AOL was forced to cancel their plans to rent subscriber's telephone numbers to outside telemarketers after a wave of complaints that such a deal would violate AOL's promise to its customers (San Jose Mercury News, 7/25/97). Nonetheless, this ability to collect data on their clients is a large part of what makes them incredibly appealing to other companies who crave that kind of demographic information to market products and services
THE MARKET: Very little of the current media discussion comments on the fact that AOL's value in this merger is based largely on its stock value, which like many other so-called "tech stocks" is wildly overvalued. The New York Times (1/10/00) dramatically noted that "yesterday it was the shares of Time Warner, with its storied legacy reaching back to Henry Luce, that leapt in celebration, like some neglected waif rescued by a wealthy benefactor." Readers had to search to find the information that in terms of actual sales, Time Warner dwarfs AOL, $27.7 billion to $5.2 billion. Though NPR's All Things Considered (1/10/00) was accurate in reporting that the combined company would "will have annual revenue of about $30 billion," this statement would also be true of Time Warner if it did not merge with AOL.
THE FUTURE: On CNN's Millennium 2000 special (1/2/00) CEO Gerald Levin offered his evaluation of the future of media. Given what occurred a few days after this program, Levin's words seem all the more powerful-and disturbing.
Global media, said Levin, "will be and is fast becoming the predominant business of the 21st century." So predominant, in fact, that the media business is now "more important than government. It's more important than educational institutions and non-profits."
"We're going to need to have these corporations redefined as instruments of public service," continued Levin, "and that may be a more efficient way to deal with society's problems than bureaucratic governments."
Still attached to the democratic accountability of those "bureaucratic" governments? Too bad, says Levin, since corporate dominance is "going to be forced anyhow because when you have a system that is instantly available everywhere in the world immediately, then the old-fashioned regulatory system has to give way."
If, as the CEO of the planned AOL/Time Warner combine envisions, media will be such a powerful force in the 21st Century, shouldn't the media business have some competition--and some democratic controls?
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 1:32:48 PM
John in HP
The Indianapolis Star paper, on their web site Starnews.com will post letters re: White River.
Thought this would be a good time for you to let the good people of Indiana know, that you plan to run against that "SCUMBAG" Burton. You could just "Hint" that you are willing to give the people a choice. You wouldn't be "announcing" to be a canadate. Just "exploring" what the people would think about having a choice. With a little note in Burton's turf, of his "SCUMBAG BEHAVIOR". Might be interesting to see any reaction, if your letter gets posted. Just a thought. Are you outraged enough to do it ?????...Tom
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 1:50:20 PM
GOD HELP US !!!!!!!!
Now they are just flat out saying it.
Read DE's post...read that last section "The Future"
BIG BROTHER IS HERE....AND NOW HE IS TALKING....TOM
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 4:00:15 PM
tom, i wouldn't worry about it too much...levin and his ilk are blinded by their own greed and arrogance and make very poor prophets. we know (or we used to) that the greatest danger to the capitalist system is the LACK of competition. like the hms titanic became a metaphor for "bigger aint always better", the hms average on line, will set sail with enough huburis on board to sink any ship.
as for the communications industry taking of the government...i find this notion laughable beyond words. oh they can talk a good game i guess but look at how they "manage" their own institutions: pure fascism "and if you dont like it you can find yourself another job, so shut the fuck-up and do as you're told"...that sort of thing.
further, modern history shows nothing, if not the short use/time curves of both authoritarian and conglomerate systems.
matt
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 4:01:28 PM
GLOBAL MEDIA...WE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN GOD.
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 4:14:32 PM
Matt
I'm not so sure of your "short time curve" theory. I kind or remember a Republican IKE, warning us of the 'Military Complex", but I don't go as far back as this letter.
" I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, (i guess you can insert any war, or police action you want) corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong in's reign...until all wealth is congregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this monent more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war.........Abraham Lincoln..1864
So Matt..if I am not to worry, please tell me when it will end...............Tom
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 5:44:50 PM
tom, when it is finished.
matt
Date: 1/13/00
Time: 7:13:02 PM
De,
Listening to Rush on vacation?
Been there, done that.
What a world, what a world,
AnnA
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 2:10:37 AM
Presidential Candidate, John McCain, said today that he disagreed to the statement made on NBC that George W. Bush was preferred by most members of the Republican party. "I have support from all parts of the U.S." said McCain. "Just yesterday I talked with members who say they are in back of me all the way. They were wholeheartedly behiind my behind during that mooning incident and agree that bare facts should be brought to light.", he said. Stating that criticsim by Donald Trump infuriated him,he added,"He makes me goddamn good and mad, talking about my campaign financing theories. The only thing he has ever had to deal with is how many women he will sleep with in a given week, I have never had to deal with that problem. They are counting me out before the caucusing even starts." McCain denied that he had been losing his temper more of late. "I have always counted to ten before answering questions, walked with my fingers crossed, smiled while gritting my teeth, and have this habit of gently kicking cats and dogs who tender to wander into my path. As for kicking the sides of my automobile after the debate the other night, I was merely testing the tires..and the door to my office just accidentally slammed, that door glass was fragile and is being replaced. Reporters always try to make things seem worse than they are...my hand only needed 6 stitches. He denied that there was any truth to the fact that he had been heard telling a "friend" that "the goddamned New England weather was pure shit for his sinuses." He replied,"What person wouldn't love the rain and cold, and smiling that famous McCain smile, said,"I'm going to love them like nobody's loved them come rain or come shine...even Donald Trump"...SAG
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 2:18:49 AM
And me again...saw the message from Fiddle De De...miss her..glad when she gets back...rename Guide? How about Indiana's Pride?...McIntosh's Golden Apple?...Lawler's (the mayor) Loot? White River Rats? GM Suckers?...I could go on and on and I think I will...SAG
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 4:57:40 AM
Just wondered if the site was down...heard Mike say something about it last night...
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 5:11:19 AM
Hey Mike -- heard most of your show, but no computer available until you were done, and the urge to call in was eliminated by the fact that there were some normal people around me who were actually SLEEPING. You done good, Mike. I was hoping John HP would call. And, you got just about every element of the RC American Church on your show, too! Yow!
Religious nuts and all. Just a few nuts, and a solo sister nut, right? And you were SO very polite. (Reading your comments above provides the source of that politeness, correct?) Get 'em, Mike.
Knowing you've likely had enough -- QUITE enough -- religion, I got to write ya anyhow.
Yes, I think your "cynical" Catholic callers were correct. The Church has Pius XII (with the revelations about his seeming complicity with Hitler's 'plans') and it's true that John Paul II was seen by most as walking out on his 'liberation theologian' - & Romero, priests, nuns, lay people and the Church in El Salvador, Nicaragua, etc. (My god, they were getting way too political -- Marxists !!!) I also think the Pope's stance (or lack of it?) must have had a lot to do with his own war experiences and Polish background. So, in a way, the church "bestowing" the martyr title could be seen as just a weeeeeee bit hypocritical (or a lot!).
BUT, it is also true that JP2 was trying to carefully walk the 'non-violence' line (necessary for the church to stay true to it's "mission"). A dilemma.
HOWEVER, Most interesting to me in this is that it appears that the move to name King a martyr came from the more "liberal" element of the American church (which certainly doesn't collect many points with the theologically 'conservative' JP2 either!). Your caller who said King was more likely to be named than Romero -- OR the sisters who were killed, may well be correct. I don't know, though. There's certainly great regard for these people by the laity in the church, who don't wrestle over supposed political affiliations when it comes to martyrdom.
Coming from that perspective, the Church naming King a martyr may perhaps be more a case of King lending the church HIS vision, & the (American) church signing on of King's mission. And THAT certainly (slow as it may have been in coming) is timely in this country (and you know what I mean by that, I think.)
Also, M2, you do pretty damned good explaining the Church's tradition. Sure you're not a "recovered" Catholic? (just kidding).
Sag, talk to ya Monday.
AnnA -- one of the pleasures of life is imagining an appropriate "karmic" response that Mr. "talent on loan from God" is storing up for himself in this universe.
De
Blue Plate rocks! (But no mayo on your Jell-O!)
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 5:14:59 AM
PS: Forgot about Kucinich! Great guy! He's one of the few Dem's who opposed the NATO bombing of Kosovo. "The Progressive" magazine has his statement on this, and it's POWERFUL.
PS: Kucinich's a Catholic, too, but so is Henry Hyde! And there you have, embodied, the contradictions of the R.C. Church, hmm?
De
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 5:57:37 AM
Hey Matt...tell Tom about the bunnys...
Did anyone see ABC news last night? About the government giving the networks moneys for 'public service' announcements regarding the evils of alcohol, pot, sex etc..and the networks deciding they could get double if they coerced the screen writers to write these messaages into their various soap operas, sit coms, dramas etc? And the screen writers are letting themselves be used like this. Where the hell are their guts? Where is the ACLU and the freedom of speech freaks? What the hell is going on? If I was one of their writers I'd write 'em a script alright, I'd tell them to kiss my ass...this reeeeeely pisses me off...I hope Mike says something about this...Big Brother? this is the networks acting as Our Father...SAG
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 6:02:56 AM
If the Roman Catholic Church endowed "martyrs", this could be a never ending process...my God, look at the "martyrs" from the 60's...all those blacks all these years...they are all martyrs...Martin Luther King can exemplify them, it is true...but where in the world do you stop? The US creates "martyrs" like it mints money...SAG
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 6:49:20 AM
Editor Matthew Rothschild comments on the news of the day.
"This Just In," January 12, 2000
----------------
Clinton's Colombian Escalation
Bill Clinton has just made one of the worst decisions of his Presidency: On Tuesday, his Administration announced a massive increase in military aid to Colombia.
Unbeknownst to most Americans, Clinton is dragging the United States into a bloody civil war in Latin America that has been raging now for almost four decades, with tens of thousands killed.
Clinton is backing the Colombian military, but there are no good guys in this drama.
The Colombian military, which has one of the worst human rights records in the hemisphere, is itself corrupted by the drug trade.
The rightwing paramilitary forces, which work closely with the Colombian army, run a big chunk of the drug business themselves. If the U.S. government were serious about fighting the war on drugs, it would campaign against these paramilitaries. Instead, it actually has supported them, as Frank Smyth reported in the June 1998 issue of The Progressive. What's more, the Colombian military has not waged a single campaign against the paramilitaries; instead, they work together.
So the war on drugs is a ruse. In actuality, it is a war on Colombian rebels.
Sag, yeah. The HYPOCRITICAL ASSININE "just say no-er's are more sickos. Have you noticed the hyped-up PSA's and gov funded commercials (our tax money of course) on drugs over the past six months? Maybe they're getting us ready for the publicity push -- you know, when the big increase in drugs from KLA, Columbia make it here, the polit-buro in Washington and the state govs will need more PUBLICITY about the harmfulness of drugs -- why? -- so they can further justify stoking the prison slave population, of course.
When I hear the new (Partnership for a Drug-Free America?) on 'LS, it makes me want to scream -- you know the one where they have the kids who know the drug language? Bag / lunch, Bag / Stash, etc? CRAPPOLA! It's fear-mongering and pure, unadulterated hypocrisy! I want to call and complain to management about the commercials.
"TOUGH ON CRIME," "JUST SAY NO," "TRY THEM AS ADULTS," "YOUR BRAIN ON DRUGS"?? = YOUR ASS IN JAIL & ANOTHER HYPOCRITICAL ASS IN PUBLIC OFFICE!!
De
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 6:51:57 AM
now back to my vacation. this is bad for the blood pressure! De
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 7:02:07 AM
Gov. Bush at his most eloquent: This guy cannot talk and Talk at the same time.
"No one wants racial profiling to take place in any state," he said. "The governor of this state doesn't, the governor of my state doesn't. I'm interested in fair justice. I think we ought to hold people accountable if they break the law regardless of the color of their skin. In terms of being a president . . . it starts with saying there's no place for racism in America. This is a, this is a nation where all people are created equal."
He went on: "One of the problems I have with oftentimes what's happening in Washington, D.C., there's too much group thought; there's too much attempt to lump people in groups and pit one group of people against another. And that leads to disharmony, it leads to the balkanization of America. . . . I intend to say each individual counts, each individual matters, the American dream belongs to each individual who's willing to work hard to achieve it."
aaaaaaaaaaaa...get me off this computer!
bye now...de
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 7:30:06 AM
OK..Matt...Tell me about the bunny's.....Tom
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 7:51:01 AM
De, you cannot expect George W. to talk on days when he has to concentrate on tying both his shoes...one goddamned thing at a time...okay?...On the White River Investigation...The state is dragging its feet. State troopers came out this noon and said that they weren't "sure the fish kill could be blamed on the substance in the water."...now, let's give them the same IQ test we should give the W...The Sierra Club told me it is not going to let this drop...they have discovered that Guide has been giving this sludge they dumped in the River to farmers in the area, telling them it was good for their crops...then we buy the damned food...these Indiana farmers will have to have the same IQ test...one Guide official said he had been putting it on his lawn...Christ, I can't believe it...we got some of the empoloyees to testify that they actually saw these chemicals being dumped, named them, named the dumpers...now these guys are in danger of being more than dumped. They'll probably be the next ones found in the River...Justice and FBI are still due in...but money is flowing freely and we have the best officials money can buy...SAG
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 7:52:34 AM
So the Koch Company got fined 35 mil. for over 300 oil spills, of 3 mil gal. of stuff it polluted lakes and streams, over the course of some years. Odd. You would think with that type of recorded history, some large media would have put together some sort of segment to inform.
But..But ..That would mean the media don't give a shit.................Tom
GLOBAL MEDIA....WE DON'T GIVE A SHIT
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 8:27:01 AM
tom, lemmesee...bunnies. sexual icons of the sixties. a late 50's pre-feminist expressionist construct of a man named hugh hefner. (born april 9, 1926 in chicago, illinois. yes. As a tribute to "hef", the discoverers of a certain endangered marsh rabbit gave it the scientific classification of Sylvilagus palustris hefneri.
also see: rabbits mice and men.
matt
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 8:32:06 AM
hi de, miss ya. great straight lines are born...not made.
matt
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 8:48:56 AM
When questioned today former president George Bush vehemently denied Donald Trump's charge on the Today Show that "George W. was a product of a lucky gene pool." "Read my lips," the former president said,"Barb is just not the kind of woman a man thinks of when he thinks in terms of 'lucky'"...SAG
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 8:53:06 AM
Note to Mike in regard to his "Catholic Program" of last night: Upon long and painful research, the Vatican today disclosed that it had been laboring under a misapprehension for lo, these many centuries. Proof has been found that the "word" was copied in error by monks of yore. "It was an admitted error," said the Pope, "and one which can be excused. The lighting was dim and their hands were cold...but it is true...the "word" is CELEBRATE."...SAG
"For philosophically committed people, politics is primarily a contest over public policy. The measure is not what people, but what ideas win." --Morton C. Blackwell
"If you would understand politics, study evolution first." --H. T. Watcher
Richard Dawkins, perhaps the foremost evolutionary biologist of our times, starts Chapter 5 of his recent book, The Blind Watchmaker with "It's raining DNA outside." He goes on to describe a willow tree that is shedding fluffy seeds far and wide across the landscape. The paragraph ends: "The whole performance, cotton wool, catkins, tree and all is in aid of one thing and one thing only, the spreading of DNA around the countryside. Not just any DNA, but DNA whose coded characters spell out specific instructions for building willow trees that will shed a new generation of downy seeds. Those fluffy specks are, literally, spreading instructions for making themselves. They are there because their ancestors succeeded in doing the same. It is raining instructions out there; it's raining programs; it's raining tree-growing, fluff-spreading algorithms. That's not a metaphor, it is the plain truth. It couldn't be any plainer if it were raining floppy disks."-H. Keith Henson
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 9:20:44 AM
Matt
WHITE RABBIT
nuff said
Tom
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 9:54:57 AM
Word has just been received from the office of Congressman David McIntosh, republican candidate for Governor of the state of Indiana, that after investigation, the conclusion has been reached that the deaths of 80,000 fish found dead in White River has been attributed to massive heart attacks...SAG
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 10:04:33 AM
New Media and Old Media Get in Bed
"When I cast my vote for 100 million shares, I did it with as much excitement as I felt the first time I made love some 42 years ago," Ted Turner, Time Warner's vice chairman, said of the AOL-Time Warner merger, according to The New York Times. Everything else about AOL's acquisition of Time Warner for $165 billion makes sense -- as the Times reports, AOL will gain important access to Time Warner's cable systems. And Time Warner needs the deal to stay current in an Internet culture. But who was Ted making love to that first time? His Wall Street Journal?
playboy on line
warren buff-alo?
matt
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 10:42:28 AM
SPARED A LIFE TERM, KILLER AT AGE 11 SENT TO A JUVENILE CENTER
Associated Press
January 14, 2000
PONTIAC, Mich. -- One of the youngest murderers in U.S. history--a boy who shot a stranger at age 11--was spared life in prison Thursday and sent to a juvenile detention center until he turns 21.
Judge Eugene Moore said the 1997 Michigan law that allowed Nathaniel Abraham to be prosecuted as an adult is "fundamentally flawed" and that the boy has a chance of being rehabilitated.
He called the case a wake-up call "that our youth are in trouble."
"I urge the legislature to lean toward improving the resources and programs within the juvenile justice system rather than diverting more youth into an already failed adult system," Moore said.
Nathaniel, who will be 14 next week, did not speak at the hearing. He turned around and looked at his mother and other relatives when he entered the courtroom but showed no emotion when the judge passed sentence.
A defense lawyer said he had to explain to the boy what had happened.
Nathaniel was the first youth charged with first-degree murder under the 1997 law, which allows children of any age to be prosecuted as adults for serious offenses. The case stirred debate across the country over efforts to crack down on juvenile crime.
He was convicted in November of second-degree murder for shooting Ronnie Greene Jr., 18, outside a Pontiac convenience store in 1997. Greene was shot with a stolen rifle from about 70 yards away.
Nathaniel was arrested two days later, his face painted for Halloween, and has been held in a juvenile facility ever since.
Prosecutors said Nathaniel had told a friend that he was going to shoot somebody, practiced on stationary targets, shot Greene in the head and bragged about it the next day.
The defense lawyer claimed Nathaniel was shooting at trees and that Greene was struck by a bullet that ricocheted off a tree. The lawyer also claimed Nathaniel had the mind of a 6- to 8-year-old and could not form the intent to commit murder or understand the charges.
Amnesty International chose his face to illustrate the cover of a 1998 report condemning America's justice system as harsh on juveniles.
The judge had several options, ranging from life in prison with a chance of parole to a sentence of time already served. Prosecutors had sought a combination sentence of juvenile detention until age 21, followed by a decision on whether to send him to an adult prison.
But the judge said that if society is committed to preventing future criminal behavior, rehabilitation through the juvenile system is the answer.
chicago tribune on line
"i was allowed to pull up my pants. i had such a little pecker then. they still wouldn't let me wash, but mr. metzger had succeeded in warning these fundamentally innocent, hayseed policemen of how crazy they had become.
so i wasn't bopped around much anymore, and pretty soon i would be taken home to my mother.
since it was mr. mezger's wife i had shot, he had the power not only to make the police take it easy with me, but to persuade the whole town to more or less forgive me. this he did-in a very short statement which appeared on the front page of the "bugle-observer", bordered in black, a day and a after my moment of fatal carelessness:
"my wife has been killed by a machine which should never have come into the hands of any human being. it is called a firearm. it makes the blackest of all human wishes come true at once,at a distance: that something die.
"there is evil for you.
"we cannot get rid of mankinds fleetingly wicked wishes. we can get rid of the machines that make them come true.
"i give you a holy word: DISARM."
kurt vonnegut, deadeye dick.
matt
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 11:36:53 AM
Matt, here in Indiana they were teaching high school kids in a facility about 30 miles west of me how to build and assemble guns in school. After the guns were built and assembled, they were graded on their capabilities and then taken to a firing range under the tutorage of the ISP to practice their experitise. As I said the other day enemies of the state are created by the state...SAG
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 12:40:19 PM
Did you ever notice that no matter where you go, there you are...SAg
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 1:21:44 PM
sag, yup there you are...just lucky i guess.
matt
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 1:44:16 PM
sag, you also find school boards everywhere. but then, these are the dark ages and travel is diffucult and dangerous...for fish and the occcasional buffaloes caught sneaking around behind them.
matt
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 2:05:25 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/01/14/scotus.01.ap/index.html
how many more days until election?
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 2:08:09 PM
http://laws.findlaw.com/US/000/98-1036.html
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 2:26:25 PM
http://www.prospect.org/archives/V11-5/confessore.html
"Hillary was right"
(Regnery and the FMR)
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 5:03:34 PM
Ann Coulter Waxes Indignant on the Subject of Bill and Monica
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"We have a national debate about whether he 'did it,' even though all sentient people know he did," she writes. "[O]therwise there would only be debates about whether to impeach or assassinate.")
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jiminlisle
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 5:30:19 PM
Ann Coulter Waxes Indignant on the Subject of Bill and Monica
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"We have a national debate about whether he 'did it,' even though all sentient people know he did," she writes. "[O]therwise there would only be debates about whether to impeach or assassinate.")
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jiminlisle
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 5:30:46 PM
Question: How is it Mr. 'JM' can have scream- fest freak-out spasms nightly and mm gets memos from LS?? HUH? Does J have a doctor's excuse? Are the memos getting posted in the wrong mailbox?
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 5:50:00 PM
Jay,oh Jay, what's this you say?
We need National Screw Up Day?
Moan and groan about depression,
In your feeble brain recession,
And all we need is just a song,
To help us all to get along?
I hate to be so awful crass,
But shove your show right up your ass...
What I need is another guy,
To raise my spirits rather high...
And his name is Mike Malloy,
All us liberals' fair haired boy...
So while you're on, I'll follow this lead,
Drink some wine, and smoke some weed,
And wait for my most humble host,
Best talk show guy from coast to coast...
Jay, you're the one that doesn't fit,
You are so awfully full of shit...SAG
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 6:31:15 PM
Letterman offing spoiled; Hillary unscathed but madder than hell; riding lawn mower kiss not lethal.
Kenny
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 7:15:33 PM
The WTO is unmasked as an illegal worldwide power grab:
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http://wsws.org/articles/2000/jan2000/chos-j15_prn.shtml
Seattle and beyond: disarming the New World Order
By Michel Chossudovsky, 15 January 2000
...Illegality of the WTO
... The Marrakesh Agreement of 1994 constitutes a blatant violation of fundamental social, economic and cultural rights. The stakes in Seattle are fundamental and cannot be addressed with a compromise Statement which tacitly accepts the legitimacy of the WTO as an institution. The WTO was put in place following the signing of a "technical agreement" negotiated behind closed doors by bureaucrats. Even the heads of country level delegations to Marrakesh in 1994 were not informed regarding the statutes of the World Trade Organisation which were drafted in separate closed sessions by technocrats.
"The Final Act Embodying the Results of the Uruguay Round of Multilateral Trade Negotiations", was signed by ministers in Marrakesh on 15 April 1994. The Final Act is a "technical agreement" which instates the WTO as a World body. "The WTO framework ensures a "single undertaking approach" to the results of the Uruguay Round-thus, membership in the WTO entails accepting all the results of the Round without exception."
Following the Marrakesh meeting, the 550-page Agreement (plus its numerous appendices) was either rubber-stamped in a hurry or never formally ratified by national parliaments. The articles of agreement of the WTO resulting from this "technical agreement" were casually entrenched in international law. In other words, the 1994 Marrakesh Agreement which instates the WTO as a multilateral body, bypasses the democratic process in each of the member countries. It blatantly derogates national laws and constitutions while providing extensive powers to global banks and multinational corporations. These powers have in fact become entrenched in the articles of agreement of the WTO.
In other words, the process of actual creation of the WTO following the Final Act of Uruguay Round is blatantly "illegal". Namely a "totalitarian" intergovernmental body has been casually installed in Geneva, empowered under international law with the mandate to "police" country level economic and social policies, derogating the sovereign rights of national governments. Similarly, the WTO almost neutralises "with the stroke of the pen" the authority and activities of several agencies of the United Nations including the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) and the International Labour Organisation (ILO).
Moreover, the articles of WTO are not only in contradiction with pre-existing national and international laws, they are also in at variance with "The Universal Declaration of Human Rights". Acceptance of the WTO as a legitimate organisation is tantamount to an "indefinite moratorium" or repeal of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Moreover, apart from the blatant violation of international law, WTO rules provide legitimacy to trade practices which border on criminality, including "intellectual piracy" by MNCs, the derogation of plant breeders rights, not to mention genetic manipulation by the biotechnology giants, the patenting of life forms including plants, animals, micro-organisms, genetic material and human life forms under the TRIPs agreement.
In the sphere of financial services, the provisions of the GATS provide legitimacy to large scale financial and speculative manipulations directed against developing countries which are often conducive to the demise of country-level monetary policy.
And the WTO Dispute Settlement Procedures upholds the legitimacy of these various manipulative procedures....
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jiminlisle
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 7:17:40 PM
Much of Anne Frank's original diary manuscript was written in ball point pen. Do you see the point?
HLM
Hey guys! Don't worry, it's De -- I thought we could all use a laugh with a repost from the past. Would that be a repast, Matt?
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 7:52:41 PM
Don't do that to me, De! I was about ready to reach for a bottle of Blatz in preparation for a long "debat."
jiminlisle
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 8:00:17 PM
As well as a debate.
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 8:28:21 PM
de, yeah oleo and anne.
properly cooked
matt
Date: 1/14/00
Time: 8:34:10 PM
No Limit but the Sky / Anthony Lewis says it.
BOSTON -- "Judicial activism is out of control and must be stopped," Steve Forbes said in New Hampshire last month. "Courts that make laws from the bench threaten the foundation of our democracy."
Don't waste it on the voters, Mr. Forbes. Go preach it to the five members of the Supreme Court who are carrying out a radical reshaping of our constitutional structure.
The latest example of judicial overreaching came this week. As in three cases decided last June, the five-justice majority read into the Constitution words and a concept that do not appear in its text: "state sovereign immunity."
http://www.nytimes.com/library/opinion/lewis/011500lewi.html
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 3:03:36 AM
This man had a talking dog. He approached his neighbor and said "I'll sell this dog to you for five bucks." The dog looked plaintively up at his neighbor and said,"Please don't let him treat me like this. I am a war hero, I have been decorated five times, met kings and entertained presidents..please, have some mercy."
The neighbor said,"How can you treat this dog like this? My God, he's a TALKING dog.."
And the owner said,"I'm gettin' tired of all his damned lies."...SAG
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 3:03:53 AM
This man had a talking dog. He approached his neighbor and said "I'll sell this dog to you for five bucks." The dog looked plaintively up at his neighbor and said,"Please don't let him treat me like this. I am a war hero, I have been decorated five times, met kings and entertained presidents..please, have some mercy."
The neighbor said,"How can you treat this dog like this? My God, he's a TALKING dog.."
And the owner said,"I'm gettin' tired of all his damned lies."...SAG
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 4:21:15 AM
It looks like my breakfast isn't the only thing that repeated on me this morning...double posts...My God! (burp)...
So far 79 TONS of dead fish have been removed from White River, all victims of a massive coronary...it has now been proven that during the two week interim when the warrant to search Guide was not executed, that Guide had barrels of comtaminant "rotated"...well, what goes round comes around...big wheel keep on turnin' and all that...know what I mean?...SAG
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 5:00:48 AM
And more....Guide Lamp's contaminants knocked out Anderson's water plant causing high amounts of ammonia to flood the waters, and along with the chemical substances resulted in the tragedy. The state is now offering $10,000.00 to any information leading to the "discovery" of the felons who caused this...now, consider how much a company who owns part of the world is offering to not have this "discovered". Think of all the money that has crossed the palms of the EPA, the senators, the congressmen, right down to the employees at the plant and then think of the thugs that GM has imported into this area to make sure no one talks and then go on down town to Indy and join in the Coltz pre celebration...tip a few...watch the big screen tvs in the streets, go on down to Union Station...dance in the streets...because you might as well...hell, tomorrow you may die...SAG
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 6:09:00 AM
Hey Sag, here's the latest cover-up BS from your Indy paper. David Rohn must have a nice fat wallet. What a piece of trash. This kind of propaganda smells like a rotting fish. Anyone who picked this story up and read it, EVEN if they knew not ONE fact about the disaster, will read between the lines. ...De
State admits it was slow to act on White River fish kill / By David Rohn
SLOW TO ACT? SLOW TO ACT?
The Indianapolis Star
INDIANAPOLIS (Jan. 15, 2000) -- The White River fish kill reveals that Indiana is poorly equipped to respond in a quick and coordinated way to an environmental disaster, a legislative study committee heard Friday.
GIVE US A DECADE OR TWO AND WE'RE ON THE SCENE.
Key state officials agreed there is need for improvement.
AH, HOW MEAN. WE WORK SO HARD.
State Sen. Beverly J. Gard, R-Greenfield, who chaired the 31/2-hour meeting of the Environmental Quality Service Council, said she will set up a subcommittee to study the emergency response issue in detail. Gard said it should have a preliminary report by April.
NOW THAT IS WHAT WE NEED - MORE THREE AND FOUR HOUR MEETINGS, MORE SUBCOMMITTEES TO STUDY HOW QUICKLY WE MEET SO WE CAN KNOW WHY IT TOOK US SO LONG TO GET OUR HEADS OUT OF OUR ASSES. HOPEFULLY BY APRIL OF 2000 WE WILL HAVE A PRELIMINARY FISH FRY TO TEST THE QUALITY OF THE CHEMICAL ADDITIVES TO OUR COMMISSION'S SNACK SUPPLIES. THEN WE'LL CALL ANOTHER MEETING TO DECIDE IF WE NEED ANOTHER SUBCOMMITTEE.
Lori F. Kaplan, commissioner of the Indiana Department of Environmental Management, conceded that as contamination of the river unfolded, the department and other state agencies might have responded more effectively.
NAAAAAAAAAAAH....CAN'T BE... MORE EFFECTIVE? HUH? WHATCHU-SAY?
"As we moved through the incident, we could have -- should have -- thrown more people into the incident," she said.
THROW MORE PEOPLE IN THE RIVER!!! SACRIFICE~! THE GUIDE LAMP DEMANDS MORE SACRIFICES!
Kaplan added that feedback from public meetings and local officials has shown her the need to "establish a more flexible (emergency response) protocol that can be put in place sooner."
WOW. I AM I-M-P-R-E-S-S-E-D
Kaplan's staff gave a detailed report about the White River contamination that began on Dec. 12, when an Anderson wastewater treatment operation inadvertently discharged toxic chemicals into the river. Pollution spread to Indianapolis, and more than 70 tons of dead fish have been collected.
SAVE THIS PARAGRAPH AND BEGIN YOUR STORY 'FROM THE TOP, MR. ROHN.
Afterward, Kaplan vowed to fully cooperate with the legislative council's continuing investigation.
OH GREAT, A VOW.
Kaplan said there have been suggestions that the environmental department has no interest in self-evaluation or reform.
WHAT A VISCIOUS LIE! WE'RE SERVING THE PUBLIC INTEREST! WE LOVE FISH. WE LOVE PEOPLE.
"That is not the case," she emphatically said.
LIKE I SAID, WHAT A VISCIOUS LIE! WE LOVE FISHIES.
William J. Beranek, chairman of the Marion County Hazardous Materials Planning Committee, said dealing with environmental accidents involving unknown hazards is a longstanding problem.
HOW LONG CAN YOU STAND? DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH WATER YOU DRANK. (OR, IF YOU'RE A FISH, HOW MUCH WATER YOU BREATHED.)
He noted that after a badly handled 1979 train wreck near Plymouth, Ind., involving flammable, toxic chemicals, then-Gov. Otis R. Bowen demanded improvements.
YEAH, LET'S GET OFF TOPIC, MR ROHN. LET'S CHANGE THE SUBJECT...DISTRACT PEOPLE. IT HAPPENS EVERYDAY. WE NEED A SUBCOMMITTEE TO STUDY HOW WE ARE RESPONDING TO TRAIN WRECKS AND DOG BITES.
The result was to create an emergency response program within the State Board of Health.
WELL, THANK GOD. RELIEF AT LAST. I'M SO ENCOURAGED NOW.
Beranek said when the Department of Environmental Management was created, it took over emergency response from the health board, but the activities were segmented within the agency.
YES, NOW, MR. ROHN, COULD YOU SKETCH US A GRAPH OF HOW THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE WORKS? WE NEED A PICTURE. HOW MANY SEGMENTS ARE THERE? WHERE ARE THE SUBCOMMITTEES?
"When we created IDEM," he said, "we broke the connection between the state and local health departments. That was a tragedy we've never recovered from."
TRAGEDY? RECOVER? HEALTH? HUH?
Barry McNulty, administrator of the Hamilton County Health Department, said he was unable to find out from the environmental department what was happening on White River until about a week after receiving reports of fish kills and questions from the public.
UNABLE. UNABLE. A WEEK AFTER. FISH SMELL FISH FLOP FISH FLY, TOO.
Richard M. Van Frank, of the Amos Butler Audubon Society, said treatment plants need to be required to immediately report problems. Industrial waste pre-treatment programs need improving to protect sewage plants and rivers. State lab facilities need to be available for testing on short notice.
SAVE THIS PARAGRAPH -- SO FAR, YOU GOT TWO YOU COULD USE IF YOU WANTED TO WRITE 'THE NEWS.'
"It is doubtful that contract labs can provide this service," Van Frank said.
THIS IS THE REAL NEWS. 00000 IN OTHER WORDS, TAKE YOUR DEAD FISH AND GO F YOURSELF, Y'ALL.
Mitt Denney, an environmental department chemist, disagreed. He said contract labs often have "cutting-edge" detection techniques and equipment that would be hard to duplicate in a government lab.
BUT, WE GOTTA HAVE A CUTTING EDGE IF WE'RE GONNA FRY FISH.
But, he said, "It is unfortunate people in private labs really don't want to work on the 25th and 26th (of December)."
THAT'S THE WHOLE PROBLEM. PEOPLE WHO CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS. OBVIOUSLY, THIS REPORTED HAS NAILED 'EM, THOUGH.
That hinted at difficulties getting lab work done over the Christmas holiday -- a critical time during the White River crisis.
UH, HUH. IT'S JESUS' FAULT. NEVER SHOULDA BEEN BORN.
Despite extensive testing, the environmental department still has not determined exactly what chemical killed the fish.
THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE. WE HAD TO READ THE WHOLE FRICKN' STORY TO GET TO THE POINT. NOBODY KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED, WHY IT HAPPENED, HOW TO FIX IT, OR WHICH FISH WAS THE FLOPPER AND WHY IT FLOPPED. GIMME A MINNOW, PLEASE. AND A VOWEL. AND A SPIN OF THE WHEEL OF FORTUNE.
Later in the day, environmental department officials explained that although carbon disulfide has been found in the water and in fish samples, it has not been in sufficient concentrations to kill fish. A department spokesman said high ammonia levels, also found in the water, don't usually kill such a broad spectrum of fish.
MAYBE IT WAS THE AMMONIA. MAYBE IT WAS THE CARBON DISULFIDE. MAYBE IT WAS NOT A PROBLEM AFTER ALL. MAYBE THE FISH DIDN'T DIE. MAYBE THEY ATE TOO MUCH CHRISTMAS DINNER. MAYBE THE FISH SUBCOMMITTEE SCREWED THIS ONE?
When crisis strikes
William J. Beranek, chairman of the Marion County Hazardous Materials Planning Committee, says five major functions are needed in an environmental emergency:
-- Quickly stop the damage, even if the cause isn't known.
-- Collect samples and data for any future criminal or civil case.
-- Provide technical recovery assistance, such as helping get a wastewater treatment plant back in operation.
-- Have biologists, chemists and other experts analyze the problem and possible solutions.
-- Have a single, knowledgeable spokesperson to inform the public.
WHAT A JOKE. THIS IS YOUR BASIC BS ONLINE INDY STAR STAR REPORTER IN ACTION.
Reward fund
A donation Friday from the Indianapolis Water Co. doubled the DNR's tip reward fund to $10,000. The Turn In a Poacher/Polluter phone number is (800) 847-4367. Tips also can be left on the DNR's web site: www.state.in.us/dnr
Latest public hearing on river situation offers updates
CAN'T WAIT FOR THE NEXT UPDATE.
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 6:19:24 AM
The company (Guide Lamp) denies it is responsible. (And, that's your update.)
Latest public hearing on river situation offers updates
By Bill McCleery
The Indianapolis Star
ANDERSON, Ind. (Jan. 15, 2000) -- Speaking before a large hometown crowd, the superintendent of the city's wastewater treatment plant said Friday that his facility bears no responsibility for the massive White River fish kill.
"We feel just as victimized by this event as everyone else," said Tom Bennington. "A wastewater treatment plant must take whatever is discharged into the sewers. The polluters are whoever put this in there."
As for the parties responsible, the amount of reward money being offered for information leading to their arrest is double today. The Indianapolis Water Co. added $5,000 to the pot -- which already contained $5,000 put forward by the state.
Since offering the reward, the state has received more than 40 calls from tipsters.
The state's investigation so far has centered largely on Guide Corp. Guide is the only company in the area known to use a chemical compound that breaks down into the derivative -- carbon disulfide -- found in high concentrations in the river and being blamed for the fish kill.
The company denies it is responsible.
"The ones who did the damage are going to be the ones to pay for the restoration of this river," said Felicia Robinson, commissioner of enforcement for the Indiana Department of Environmental Management's civil division.
On the bright side, officials said no carbon disulfide has been detected in the river over the past 10 days.
The public hearing was one of several being held by state and local officials. Experts from the environmental department, the state Department of Natural Resources and the state Department of Health responded to questions and concerns raised by a crowd of about 300.
Bennington conceded that the public should have been warned sooner about the irregularities observed at the plant, but he said that workers at the facility initially did not recognize the severity of the situation or that a harmful chemical was the cause of abnormalities.
Rather, workers at first suspected a malfunction somewhere in the plant itself.
"I do believe that, internally, we need to review our communication process," he said. "(But) this is unprecedented in the state of Indiana."
So far, officials have collected 82 tons of dead fish from the river. The damaged portion of the river appears to be the section between Anderson and Indianapolis -- but officials reiterated that the extent of the harm will not be known for months.
Among local residents who asked questions, several were sports fishermen interested in how long it will take to restore the river's fish population. One asked whether the DNR intended to restock the river with minnow-sized fish or adults.
Bill James, chief of fisheries for the DNR, said the state likely would introduce a mix of immature fish and adults old enough to spawn. He added that the state might restrict fishing in sections of the river for several years to allow new fish populations time to become established.
He said restocking might offer benefits beyond restoring population numbers.
"We have the opportunity through purposeful reintroduction of fish to redirect the mix of species," he said, suggesting that more desirable species might replace the previous large numbers of carp and shad.
Mario Sgro, an epidemiologist with the health department, told the crowd to feel free to call state offices with questions -- no matter how uninformed the queries might be.
"I've even gotten calls from people asking, 'Can we eat the dead fish we're finding?' The answer is no. I'd say never eat any dead organism you find -- and especially not now," he said.
Officials continue to advise against coming into contact with the water from White River or allowing pets to drink from it.
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 6:22:57 AM
"I've even gotten calls from people asking, 'Can we eat the dead fish we're finding?'"
...........
NO WONDER THEY STILL HAVE DAN BURTON AS INDY REP. These people are seriously brain damaged, Sag. WHAT is WRONG with these people?
De
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 6:31:23 AM
De..what a great analysis...reading between the lines? My God, these people around here do not even understand pictures...Deny..deny..deny..GM has been killing humans for the last 4 years at this plant that we know of..but my God and dead fishes..now these sportsmen are upset..."can we eat them?"...hell,yes, let 'em eat them...have a fish fry, why not? That they would even ask such a question betrays their intelligence. Shit...I give up...make mine with tartar sauce...SAG
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 6:34:57 AM
nick: "what kind of a chump do you take me for?"
roto-noto: "first-class"
the adventures of nick danger(firesign theatre)
matt
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 6:45:01 AM
Sag, you gotta watch out for the tartar sauce.
De
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 6:50:16 AM
"deres nuthin' more wholesome dan a fish"
richard j. daley
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 6:50:46 AM
Sag, Matt. Nice to be back. I think. What a travesty it is -- this GM plant sickness -- effing of life. De
Every time I hear this old story, I have to ask: Was it Blessing or Curse?
"Let us make humans in our own image, similar to us, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky and the animals and the reptiles and every creature on earth."
And god created humans in god's own image, male and female, god created them. And god blessed them and said to them:
"Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth and govern it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the sky and every creature on earth."
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 6:55:40 AM
the old translation of Genesis' story is more accurate. it read: let them have dominion over...and...rule the earth and subdue it.
dominion. subdue.
the new translation? govern.
which COULD be a great change of perspective, except that, as Mike says, time after time:
"these people cannot govern"
De
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 6:59:29 AM
Sign put in the GM plant by person unknown...only to you..."GONE FISHIN'"...SAG
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 7:01:37 AM
PS...Now watch these effers make something big out of this...some peepul jest ain't got no sense of humorous...SAG
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 7:03:32 AM
"they're on a fishing expedition."
richard m. nixon
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 7:13:02 AM
hi, de and sag. we're the three itty fishies, hmm? boop-boop didim-dadum waddem shoo. and dey fam, and dey fam all over da dam.
matt
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 7:25:16 AM
PS Talk later...gwine fishin'...know what I mean?...SAG
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 7:33:47 AM
hey matt...I'm not going fishing, but i got laundry to do...talk to ya later. De
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 8:26:02 AM
Jim, Did you know that Eileen Byrne's middle initial is "F"
yep. true.
De
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 8:34:32 AM
One more comment. (yeah, right). A grandmother with a shaky sweet little voice just came on and gently told Eileen she is an ass. The gramma said she gave up listening to Mike Malloy's (wonderful) show for one night so she could see Hillary on Letterman. Gramma was great. She also said (in a very polite way as only a gramma can say) that Eileen was crude and rude. She said it without saying it, by the way. It was GREAT! GO GRANDMA!
It's these people are gonna vote in the Dems in November.
i hope.
de
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 10:23:58 AM
You have the right to remain silent?
Will Miranda Make It? By Nat Hentoff
Saturday, January 15, 2000; Page A25
Long after the Supreme Court's 1966 Miranda decision requiring police to tell criminal suspects their rights before questioning them, I spent six months with a New York City squad of homicide detectives.
Generally, police do not welcome reporters hanging out in their workplace, but a veteran member of the squad was a fan of Charlie Parker's and had read some of my writing on that nonpareil alto saxophonist. With that detective's imprimatur, I was able to be there so often that the other detectives became used to me.
They would tell me some of the particularly sickening details of murders they had to clear. Without exception, they took the job personally and were determined to find and put away the killers.
I wanted to find out if they felt that the Miranda warnings were impediments to justice. Over time, I asked each one separately about Miranda while we were also talking about other matters.
With only one exception -- the youngest and newest member of the squad -- each said essentially the same thing. Their comments, similar to those of a good many other police officers around the country, are particularly pertinent since the Supreme Court will decide during this term whether Miranda warnings will continue to be mandatory to justify admitting confessions in federal prosecutions.
The case, Dickerson v. United States, comes to the court from the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals. It ruled that Section 3501 of the 1968 Omnibus Crime Control Act requires that voluntary confessions be allowed in evidence in federal cases, even if they are not preceded by Miranda warnings. The warnings can continue to be given, but will not determine the validity of the confessions so long as they are voluntary, considering all the circumstances of the interrogation.
Moreover, if the Supreme Court agrees with the 4th Circuit, individual states will then be able to legislate their own versions of Section 3501 and Miranda will become only a shadow of its former self.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/2000-01/15/040l-011500-idx.html
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 11:13:01 AM
John in HP
Was that you on Bughouse last night. I was only able to catch parts of the callers around 12:30.
Then I heard snips of...Burton is a scumbag....will somebody in Indiana PLEASE run against this scumbag....I'll help anyway I can...Hell, I'll even move to Indiana if that is what it takes.
I started laughing, and the people around me thought I was crazy, so as I was leaving the area, I said..If anybody runs against Burton, vote for them...If a guy named John runs against Burton, make sure you vote for him...CAUSE JOHN UNDERSTANDS. Sounds as if you have a letter to the editor, for Starnews.com ready to go John ? ? ? ? .........Tom
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 11:26:35 AM
The EPA and dead fish
Some glorified meetings and hearings. Sound pragmatic goals and action memos. Minamal possible fines Might be levied. New guidlines reviewed. No further action required.
Goal: Business as usual...A S A P.
But then...you did know that already......Tom
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 1:04:18 PM
Tom..you miss the whole goddamned point. This issue is not about dead fish...that's just a nibble...gotta go...SAG
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 5:02:53 PM
Channel surfing, I caught a few laughs in the latest installment of debate-o-rama.
John McCain used that famous Texas put-down on Shrubya when he recounted, “That’s all hat and no cattle.” Then he had me rolling on the floor when he used the anti-welfare canard to bash ethanol subsidies by explaining that he wanted to free the people of Iowa from government dependency................hahahahaha
Here are some unrelated links:
The irreverent Landover Baptists at http://www.landoverbaptists.org/home/mainx.html
They offered the Bible Verse Wallpaper as a “love offering.” http://www.dumbentia.com
Have you checked out Culture Jammers yet? http://www.adbusters.org/home
Have fun, AnnA
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 5:49:56 PM
I dunno, De. It's either "Fishface" or "Fascist" but I just can't guess which - they both fit so well.
jiminlisle
Date: 1/15/00
Time: 6:07:52 PM
The syntax of the father . . . Bush shares dad's gift for garble on the stump 01/13/2000 By Wayne Slater / The Dallas Morning News
LEXINGTON, S.C. - Like his father before him, Gov. George W. Bush is articulating his political vision with a syntax all his own.
From diners in New Hampshire to the debate stages of Iowa, the Texas governor is recalling his father's legacy of tangled sentences and novel pronunciations in a distinctly Bush style.
At a news conference Tuesday in Michigan, the Republican front-runner found himself in a rhetorical briar patch a few times, hopping from clause to clause.
Commenting on GOP rival John McCain, Mr. Bush told reporters:
"If he's saying I'm going to veto every single appropriation bill that comes across my desk, again, I just, he was, I thought it was a kind of. . . ." His voice trailed off to unintelligibility.
At a campaign stop in South Carolina on Tuesday night, Mr. Bush got tongue-tied over the phrase "potential missile launches," warning of "a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."
He says he supports assuring that people have access to college and government funding, saying he backs "private capital for people who are accessing."
And when it comes to dropping diphthongs and creative pronunciation, the governor shines: "We're getting down to vote-askin' time," he told supporters Tuesday in Florence, S.C. Several times, he has scrambled the verb obfuscate as obsfucate, and he coats the word nuclear with a languorous East Texas patina. "Nyoooo-cue-lair," he says.
As president, his father was renowned for tortured syntax and a creative lexicon - once identifying the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band as the Nitty Ditty Gritty Great Bird.
As for the son, Mr. Bush might have a way to go. Still, last week he combined trade and barriers - He warned against terriers - and, declaring education a top priority, said he would not stand for the "subsidation" of failure.
Communications director Karen Hughes cringed when he had a brief educational failure of his own, declaring: "The question we need to ask: Is our children learning?"
When he sought to head off a reporter's interruption at a news conference by saying he had not yet reached his "peroration," it sent the traveling press to the dictionary to see whether he had minted a word.
But no. It was a word, all right, one he'd learned at Yale, and he used it correctly.
Mr. Bush, who has trumpeted the idea of broadening the Republican Party's appeal among minorities, said Wednesday that he didn't see any problem in holding a political rally on the grounds of a restored Southern plantation.
"People shouldn't read into venue locations someone's heart," he told reporters Wednesday in Lexington.
The rally, an oyster roast that attracted several hundred Bush backers, was held Tuesday night on the 700-acre Boone Hall plantation at Mount Pleasant, where supporters gathered in a large tent adjacent to the white-pillared Southern mansion. Nearby was a row of small houses that 150 years ago served as the slaves' quarters.
"Boone Hall is a place where people hold public functions all the time," he said. "Fortunately, we had a place that was large enough to accommodate the over 2,000 people who showed up."
Mr. Bush said both Democrats and Republicans have held events at the site. And he noted that the state's Democratic governor had attended a function on the plantation grounds the night before.
The crowd at the plantation, like those at other Bush events, was largely white.
"I have a lot of work to do in minority communities, I recognize that," he said. "And I'm going to reach out to people."
The issues of race and politics were intertwined Wednesday as Mr. Bush sought support in South Carolina, whose Feb. 19 primary will be the first in the South.
The Texas governor woke up to a front-page story in the Columbia newspaper about an imbroglio in the Palmetto State over a Republican state senator's remarks that the NAACP should be called "the National Association of Retarded People."
Mr. Bush called the remark "unfortunate name-calling" but fended off reporter queries about whether the lawmaker should apologize. "That's up to the senator," he said.
Date: 1/16/00
Time: 3:23:58 AM
sagging
You goddamed facist...read Goal:
That doesn't say fish now does it ?
Glad when you're gone.......Tom
Date: 1/16/00
Time: 6:09:04 AM
Sum peepul jest dew knot have a cents of humorourus...SAG
Date: 1/16/00
Time: 7:28:36 AM
All across Central Indiana today, there is celebration. Food is cheap. Red Lobster Inn located on the Anderson Bypass 109, has specials ranging from White River Trout to bass to carp (just remain the mud vein) for unreasonably cheap prices. In fact, it is advertising that a family of four can eat as cheaply as a family of one. Pepto Bismal and epicac will be provided for a slight fee, and 911 is set on speed dial. Captain D's, also located in the same area is featuring specials which include fish dinners, 2 for 1.00 and deep fried you-name-it-you-got-it for under 1.98. A buffet style luncheon, all you can eat. Long John Silver is deveiating from its usual menu featuring the Guide to Better Fish Eating and its ' special DDK..dead duck kill, a variation from its' usual fish menu, but striving to be different and succeeding. Many enthusisastic families are combining this food outing with the celebration of the Colts play off game.
Mike McDandiels, Republican State Chairman was quoted as saying, "this is a remarkable opportunity for people to take adantage of cheaper food prices. Scalpers are reaping huge profits for colt tickest, but this White River 'thing' has happened at just the right time for them to make up for the loss of ticket funds with the implementing of the sales of fresh fish. The Republican Party has a fish stand right outside the Colts Complex and is sponsoring a tail gate party. Fish tales will be featured. Fish will also be available at the Convention Center at the free dance being sponsored for the public being held in the Sycamore Room this evening. Medics will be on hand, although this is a precautionary matter and we are not expecting any problems. Congress McIntosh has assured us that both he and GM have matters under control. However, we suggest that you bring your own garnishments, such as tartar sauce, lemon, and any other to your liking...any cover up will be welcome"...SAG
Date: 1/16/00
Time: 7:59:01 AM
class struggle
the gop "debate" in iowa yesterday provided us with a now rare flash of their old tactical virtuosity yesterday, with candidate bauer's "son of a janitor" revelation. the unique irony of this revelation added a touch of pathos for the press to cluck about, and a powerful lesson for the "mainstream" candidates to ignore. thats it gary, work to the body...economic freaks.
his next move will be to heal "W".
it aint over till its over.
matt
Date: 1/16/00
Time: 8:25:18 AM
-buy for me the reign
(sung to the tune of "buy for me the rain", by the nitty gritty dirt band}
buy for me the reign
my daddy
buy for me the reign
buy for me the rule
my daddy
by me anything i ask
and then i'll play the fool
and i'll buy for you the contacts
and clout to grease the wheels
buy for me the reign dear daddy, so i can cut the deals...humm(to coda).
matt
Date: 1/16/00
Time: 9:29:35 AM
You missed it in both posts....is it you don't read...or need to go to Eye Care Center.com. Now that you are getting old in tooth...gravity makes other things sagging...ya know what I mean.............Tom
Date: 1/16/00
Time: 9:48:49 AM
His next move is to heal "W".
But "W" is already a heel.
It's over...Frazier is down..Frazier is down
OOOPPS..sorry..wrong sport.......Tom
Date: 1/16/00
Time: 10:54:05 AM
Sum peepul jest do knot have cents of humorous...SAG
Date: 1/16/00
Time: 11:04:17 AM
And then some people just do not have sense, you know what I mean?...SAG
Date: 1/16/00
Time: 11:20:15 AM
Who posted the "Syntax of the Father"? T'was cooler than cool. De
<http://members.xoom.com/Ehrenstein/htmls/isikoff_conrad.html>
Some Isikoff Humor (oops, that just doesn't SOUND right, somehow)
Date: 1/16/00
Time: 11:49:06 AM
As I listened to the discussions regarding the networks and their psa's, I must have missed something. When I first heard of this Thursday, I interpreted it to mean the networks were fooling with the creativitiy of the writers on the shows. I still think it was referring to that aspect of it. Does anyone else have a different slant on things? And if so, please point it out to me. It seems that when the networks try to comply with the government regs, they must dictate to the writer where to insert these messages, and what to say, and how to rewrite scripts etc...my quarrel is not so much with the government or the networks, but wimpy writers who will not stand up for themselves. Seems we are approaching the controls of the Hays office of the 1930's and the McCarthy era wh