Mike Malloy

defdefjef · Guest

I have been following the "story" about the 9.11 events and all the weird things which don't add up.

My questions are:

Do the consipracy theorists believe that the operation did or did not involve the 19 moslem men? Where the so called 19... like oswlad, dupes who thought they were on a mission... the one's who were on tape in Maine etc... but that the real damage would come from explosives and not the crashes?

If the planes which hit the towers and the missle which hit the pentagon were not the "hijacked planes"... perhaps "other planes".... what happened to the scheduled flights? Were they crashed into the ocean of something? Were all the radar tapes etc. forgeries or faked and inserted under cover of the military exercises? Are there witnesses who can identify what hit the pentagon... by this time there was some "awareness" of the attack and hundreds of cars and pedestrians must have seen something hit the pentagon and fly over DC. Where are those witnesses?

What are the actual theories of what took place which accounts for all the known facts? Who was in on the plan... or how many were involved? Was it possible to for a few people to engineer all the things which had to happen on 9.11... deal with 4 flights... set explosives... launch missles of drones... shoot down one flight in PA... foil all the normal chanels?

Was it really gross negligence and a cover up and some nasties ceasing the opportunity to launch the wars or a detailed conspiracy?

Rumpl4skn · Guest

Headhunter · Guest

Apparent use of a military Boeing 767 on the South Tower
Photos of what appears to be a military tanker
http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1744&start=340

What hit the South Tower?
by Robert Rice
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/Rice11Mar2006.html

Tune · Guest

why would they swap out planes and use million dollar missiles when the planes they would have to hijack to get rid of anyway already had a programmable guidance system similar to a cruise missile?

that whole line of reasoning complicates the plot best left simple, and adds in too many people.
Think Altitude-triggered gas canisters to kill off everyone on board (or at least make the cockpit unaccessable) and an "upgrade" cd for the autopilot computer (which is a full GPS guidance system quite capable of pulling off that stunt at the pentagon), and you have a situation where two or three guys with fake ID could take care of all four planes without having to pay any attention to who was on them. hijack the hijackers.

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waitew · Guest

For allmost 50 years we fought a cold war with the Soviet Union.When the Soviet Union broke apart,it left the USA as the world's sole superpower.The USA is completely dependent upon oil and there was nothing stopping us (militarily) from taking for ourselves the world's largest reserves of a dwindling reasource.Nothing except for the American people who were unwilling to send their sons off to die for oil.What was needed was a 'new Pearl Harbor' to give the American people the 'will' to send their sons off to die for oil!That's what 911 was.
So, now that we've established a 'need' for a 'new Pearl harbor'.How did they do it?Well,they used a pre-existing 'asset'.An asset formerly known as the mujahadeen now called Al Quada.The CIA created (thru the pakistanti ISI) this group of mercenaries to do its dirty work most notably fighting the Soviets in Afganistan.That should be a big tip off since I don't even think they deny this much.
You want to know what happened on 911?We were the victim of a false flag attack ordered by elements within our own government.I don't know how much or what type of explosives were used at the WTC's (though I know the NIST admits they didn't look for any) and I don't know what happened to flight 77 if it didn't hit the Pentagon nor do I think it is necesarry to know all the intimate details.I know who has benefitted from the attacks.I know who had the means,the motive and the opportunity and who has convered it up.

debbie n · Apprentice Truthseeker Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 377

This is the kind of stuff that the in fighting that if thisis the only part that is told on The View well people already say crazy. My question is about the people who were in a movie called 911 Mysteries. That is a better questioning movie where people who were there and a worker who had to update computers the week before for what they thought. That movie is much better then some of the other's I have seen. I am afraid that this will not happen. Rosie is getting hate e-mail's and somone said that on the weekend ABC had an emergency meeting about the upcoming show and they were like Ha Ha to Rosie. I think they are such rotton to the core hater's and will probably get there way about it all. Sad

edie tucker · Novice Truthseeker Joined: 19 Apr 2007 Posts: 79

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uber patroit · Guest

I find the whole conspiracy thing a little to agenda driven. Has any one maybe given some thought to the possibility that some or all of the hijackers were in the U.S. to be trained as a hit squad to get Saddam. Bin Laden then just piggy backed his own operation on top of it. Remember that he was at one time a CIA asset. That, might start to explain the surprised look that lasted seven minutes. This administration is so driven by money, it never occurred to them that the old family friend might want to cement his own chapter in history.

edie tucker · Novice Truthseeker Joined: 19 Apr 2007 Posts: 79

all of this info. cries out for a real investigation; all we have seen so far is basically a coverup and, an obvious one at that. We will never be able to truely move on until these questions are answered. As of now, nearly 6 years later, the answers are hidden by those in power who created the official storyl: which is a tissue of lies.
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debbie n · Apprentice Truthseeker Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 377

I heard that on Thom's show he is going to do a show in about 3 weeks on the 911 truth. He also said that it was hard to find someone who would be on and take phone calls. I think he was e-mailed a lot about Sofia who is on Jeff Farias' show a lot. He said stop with all the e-mails I will have a show and let us know when. I know it will be good because he is trying to have some real experts on not just the quacks. Cool

jetster777 · Guest

I love my fellow lefties but your credibility in public opinion about this issue is a slam dunk. I worked as a Mechanic at the time for United Airlines, it was a tragic day indeed, especially in the aftermath when they gouged their workers of everything they were contractually guaranteed, I and thousands alike lost their job, pensions, healthcare, I was there16 years but i was lucky because I did not die that day. 9-11 did happen, it was a terrorist attack, the scandal is how our Government reacted to it. Just the way the terrorists planned it. That's the goal of terrorism is to get whomever it is to overeact to the act itself. I know we on the center left are very angry out there but let's keep our credibility intact. The right will use anything to discredit us and if we go too far we may lose key allies that we need along the way. Who knows there may be some truth to some of this but I doubt it. Once we have new officials elected maybe if there was a conspiracy it will all come out. By the way my kids and I are leaning Obama, I am giving my well informed 14 year old my right to vote this year. It's much more about his future than mine.

Rumpl4skn · Guest

Bill Frank · Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject:

I would have to agree with Rumpl, I didn't ever want to do
any group thinking, and get my share of tin foil hat insults.
Thanks for this thread!

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Rumpl4skn · Guest

One clarification - along with the phony evidence, there is an awful lot of real evidence as well.

The point was to have overkill - such a ridiculous amount of clues, right up in everyone's faces, the majority of which were shoddy at best. This is why we had Rummy "accidentally mispeak" and say "missile" hit the Pentagon. Twice. That was no mistake, that was a deliberate "Oops, I let the cat out of the bag..." moment, for the purpose of the truther movement going "A-HAH!! Another smoking gun!"

As it's known on another site I regularly visit, "the orgy of 9/11 evidence."

9/11 was indeed an attack by ruthless terrorists. A false-flag attack by low-level perps we have not yet clearly identified, and ably assisted by the terrorists in this government. I don't think the Bushes and Cheneys and Rumsfelds get their hands dirty, they have "people" that do the tough work. But they most definitely played their parts and acted as incompetent and guilty as possible, in order to get this snowball rolling downhill. And every one of them was privy to what went down, both before and after. Ronald Reagan was not the only actor to hold high public office - I believe it may now be a prerequisite in the primaries to have a SAG card.

Now it's time for the actors, perps, MSM whores, etc., to cash in on their hard work, and I'm afraid it's not going to be good for (what's left of) America.

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Thucydides remarks that one of the symptoms of the failure of Athenian democracy was the election of actors and popular sports heroes to positions of state. This decline was driven by military failure and the loss of power in the Peleponnesian War.
Religious conformity was demanded to such a degree that many fled to exile rather than knuckle under to the fanatics.
But that's ancient history.
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jetster777 · Guest

Ok then. Well what I reply won't matter as I have learned in my life. You are very convinced of your idealogies and that's fine. I will watch Zeitgeist this weekend. Thanks for your points of view but right now I am just not ready to go full tilt on some of these positions.

Rumpl4skn · Guest

city trader · Guest

[quote="Rumpl4skn.

Check out what's out there, see for yourself, decide for yourself. You're the decider... not authority. Cool

Z-geist is a good move.[/quote]

Part 2and3 are ok but part one is filled with inaccuracies.

******* The authoritarian deceivers.

"It exposes the Catholic "church", the "New Age Movement",
The "Communists and Nazis" (BOTH put into power by *******.FAKE
********TALMUD ***** which worship *******Magic through
the Cabala)...
BUT, although they give you the portions of this "history" of the
ancients in such a way as to justify a life of non-accountability,
and report the facts concerning the "sun god worship" and "business
implications" of the apostate Zionists "churches" around the world
(especially in Amerika)...they have failed with all that KNOW the
Truth they claim to seekand I do NOT think the world is "12,000 years old" as the ignorant
apostate "churches" teach...It is BILLIONS of years old as
the "Mosaic Law Protected" Holy Bible teaches....and the "Pre-Adam"
(pre-adamic) civilizations are ALL included...so are dinosaurs."